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Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
If someone played the old prank of ding dong ditch at your house, with your family inside, would you shoot the prankster to death?
 
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If something happens, either we can respond really fast or we could respond really slow. . . . Im the difference between you getting a two-minute response time, if you needed a little help, or a 15 minutes response time.
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Not unless there were some sort of serious threats or imminent danger involved.

Just post the damn link already
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Wouldn't you? That's just annoying, especially if someone is trying to sleep.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100420/ARTICLE/4201060


In Venice shooting, a hunt for answers

By Todd Ruger, Anthony Cormier & Kim Hackett
Staff Writers


Published: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:31 p.m.
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VENICE - An autopsy on the body of Tyler Spann is complete and he will be buried today, but questions remain about the death of the 20-year-old who was shot and killed early Friday by an off-duty Sarasota County sheriff's deputy.


Related Links:A sad and unnecessary death 'Kid prank' leads to fatal shooting in Venice Family and friends left with questions UPDATE: Deputy on leave after fatal Venice shooting Map: Site of shooting in Venice | Graphics
The Sheriff's Office did not release details about the case Monday, but officials say they expect the investigation into the actions of Deputy Carlos Verdoni, who shot Spann, to be completed by the end of this week.

The inquiry into the shooting is divided into two parts: a criminal investigation of the shooting; and an administrative look at whether Verdoni followed procedures when he left his home in shorts, a T-shirt and sandals to track down the pranksters who banged on his door and ran off.

Verdoni, 33, told his superiors that his doorbell was rung around midnight Thursday, and then he heard banging on his door around 1 a.m. He said he chased down one prankster in his squad car and found him outside a home in the 300 block of Lisbon Street. There he encountered Spann and told him to lay down while he called for backup.

Spann complied initially, Verdoni said, but then rushed up and tackled the deputy and reached for his gun. Verdoni fired two shots, killing Spann, who was unarmed.

Sheriff's officials are investigating the shooting even though it happened within the Venice city limits. The Sheriff's Office says it handles all officer-involved shootings in the county, except for those in the city of Sarasota, through an agreement with the smaller police agencies.

Sheriff Tom Knight has said that he believes Verdoni's actions were justified and that the investigation will clear the nine-year veteran.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Oh goody, the sheriffs' office is investigating its own deputy. I do so wonder what they will find.

Weird thing is: ding dong ditch is not a crime.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
"Sheriff Tom Knight has said that he believes Verdoni's actions were justified and that the investigation will clear the nine-year veteran."


Only a few days into it and there is a telling statement on how it will be called!
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
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Spann complied initially, Verdoni said, but then rushed up and tackled the deputy and reached for his gun. Verdoni fired two shots, killing Spann, who was unarmed.
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If you try and take a police officers gun, it then becomes a deadly force issue, you will be killed and the shooting justified.


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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
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Spann complied initially, Verdoni said, but then rushed up and tackled the deputy and reached for his gun. Verdoni fired two shots, killing Spann, who was unarmed.
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If you try and take a police officers gun, it then becomes a deadly force issue, you will be killed and the shooting justified.


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First off he would need to justify his pursuit of a prankster! There was no threat present so he never should have pursued, armed or otherwise! IF, and we are talking a big if here, the kid tried to tackle him, I would bet he saw it as justified just because he was armed!
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Well,in Ohio, it certainly falls under Disorderly Conduct if you really wanna charge the guy with something. So technically he had reason to arrest the retard.

2917.11 Disorderly conduct.

(A) No person shall recklessly cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to another by doing any of the following:

(1) Engaging in fighting, in threatening harm to persons or property, or in violent or turbulent behavior;

(2) Making unreasonable noise or an offensively coarse utterance, gesture, or display or communicating unwarranted and grossly abusive language to any person;

(3) Insulting, taunting, or challenging another, under circumstances in which that conduct is likely to provoke a violent response;

(4) Hindering or preventing the movement of persons on a public street, road, highway, or right-of-way, or to, from, within, or upon public or private property, so as to interfere with the rights of others, and by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender;

(5) Creating a condition that is physically offensive to persons or that presents a risk of physical harm to persons or property, by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.11

Or, since the guy is on his property, criminal trespassing applies.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
policeyourown1st wrote:
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"Sheriff Tom Knight has said that he believes Verdoni's actions were justified and that the investigation will clear the nine-year veteran."


Only a few days into it and there is a telling statement on how it will be called!


Mainly because they have an independant Witness who OBSERVED the little shitbird try and take the Officers gun. Play Stupid games, Win Stupid Prizes Sucks to be the (Late) Shithead.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Kpdpipes wrote:
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policeyourown1st wrote:
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"Sheriff Tom Knight has said that he believes Verdoni's actions were justified and that the investigation will clear the nine-year veteran."


Only a few days into it and there is a telling statement on how it will be called!


Mainly because they have an independant Witness who OBSERVED the little shitbird try and take the Officers gun. Play Stupid games, Win Stupid Prizes Sucks to be the (Late) Shithead.
I see no mention of any witness in there. The last part shows just why people dislike you guys. Being an idiot is not a crime! Unfortunately both sides of this come off that way!
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
I found this from the Alameda County DA's Office:


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“Stale” misdemeanors
In a few old California cases, the courts were somehow able to interpret the “in the presence” rule as prohibiting officers and civilians from making warrantless arrests for socalled “stale” misdemeanors. This catchy term was applied to misdemeanors that were committed in the presence of an officer or civilian, who, for whatever reason, delayed making the arrest an “unreasonable” period of time. But the “stale misdemeanor” rule seems more akin to urban legend than a rule of law.

As far as we could determine, the genesis was a comment in a 1907 case in which the court said—without citing any precedent—that “[i]t seems to be generally held that an arrest for a misdemeanor without a warrant cannot be justified if made after the occasion has passed, though committed in the presence of the arresting officer.”

It should be noted that, even if there is any validity to this “rule,” a violation will not result in the suppression of evidence. Still, it would seem that an unreasonable delay by the citizen should be considered by officers in determining whether the suspect should be cited and released, or released without further action pursuant to Penal Code § 849(b).

This was from a brief on Citizen's Arrests, but covered Officers in the dialogue as well.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Atticus Finch wrote:
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Weird thing is: ding dong ditch is not a crime.


Actually, it is. Depending on your jurisdiction, it could fall under disorderly conduct, harassment, criminal tampering, or disturbing the peace. Granted, ding dong ditch is not a serious crime, but it's good enough for a stop.

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First off he would need to justify his pursuit of a prankster! There was no threat present so he never should have pursued, armed or otherwise! IF, and we are talking a big if here, the kid tried to tackle him, I would bet he saw it as justified just because he was armed!


I don't see any mention of a vehicle pursuit. Yes, the deputy was in a police car, but it looks like the suspect was on foot. That kind of chase is pretty easy to justify at every agency I've ever worked for. If he's not free to leave, and he tries to run away, then you can go get him. In this case, Verdoni had charges on Spann. Minor charges, but enough for an arrest.

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Spann complied initially, Verdoni said, but then rushed up and tackled the deputy and [i]reached for his gun.[/i] Verdoni fired two shots, killing Spann, who was unarmed.


And this is why Spann is dead. This is what is supposed to happen to people who try to disarm cops. Maybe Verdoni could have chosen to let the prank slide, but he didn't. It's not his fault that Spann decided to up the ante. It was still just a minor offense until Spann attacked Verdoni and tried to disarm him. Now we are talking about a violent felony, and a cop who will probably be dead in a few minutes if he doesn't gain control. All because Spann decided to attack him over a stop that would have probably ended with a ticket otherwise.

Assuming that we aren't missing some really nasty detail that changes the whole story, I think Verdoni is good to go. Maybe there's a department policy against wearing shorts & sandals in a marked car, and if they want to they can write him up for that. The shooting itself looks justified, though.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Since he had no clue who had done it, there is no real suspect to pursue.
 
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Re:Do you shoot people who play ding dong ditch? 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
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Since he had no clue who had done it, there is no real suspect to pursue.


Lol...PYO, just stop before that hole gets too big. If I think you were involved in a crime, I'm gonna detain you until I figure out what's going on. The deputy didn't arrest anyone. He detained them while he waited for back-up.
 
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