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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
ohboy wrote:
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Doesn't appear to be slowing down yet.


Unless you just jinxed it.
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Simple point to this subject is people equate severe with excessive which is not always the case. They continually fail to realize that it can not be determined by the severity of the injury's without considering other factors...... So the wheels on the bus go round and round......
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Atticus Finch wrote:
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Who was it who said there were definite signs?

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Its only different because it would hold a standard to police inwhich you would have no control. there is signs of over aggression by LE, and they can and are identified by the medical community all the time. Police also use the same or simular standards when convicting any accused of a crime. You guys are just showing how you object to anything that holds you accountable for your actions, and how major changes need to be brought to the LE.


Emphasis added.

Not sure where you're going with the rest of your post. If the cop isn't qualified for what? What cop? Mandatory reporting of what? Maybe you should try typing that whole thing all over again when you're sober.

I'm still waiting to see what imaginary signs of over-aggression you think the docs use to identify excessive force. My hope for any intelligible response is fading, though...


You know what he means. Stop playing dumb. It makes you look dishonest.


your right on the point Atticus. Oh well some people's children.

BTW I dont drink
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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your right on the point Atticus. Oh well some people's children.

BTW I dont drink


Ouch. You mean you're like that sober?

This is awkward. I thought there was some excuse for you.

I guess you're not going to tell us what magic signs you think doctors use, eh?
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
your still lost I see
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
If I hit a suspect in the arm with my nightstick and break his arm, is that excessive force or reasonable use of force?
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
I know I know I know......
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Come on Come on ....... Pick me Pick me........
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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If I hit a suspect in the arm with my nightstick and break his arm, is that excessive force or reasonable use of force?


Reasonable?

If the Suspect has placed you in a position to apply that type of force and you just so happen to break his arm after applying it then it's still Kosher. Because you hadn't known it would break and it wasn't your intention.
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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If I hit a suspect in the arm with my nightstick and break his arm, is that excessive force or reasonable use of force?


Well, Homer, it depends on what the doctor's magic signs say. Just ask timster.
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
your ignorance is outstanding, keep up the stupidity its really cracking me up.

so whats your problem with a little outside oversight?
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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your ignorance is outstanding, keep up the stupidity its really cracking me up.

so whats your problem with a little outside oversight?


Not a thing Timster. But your ignorance of law enforcement procedures is driven by your hatred for your local PD. Not every PD is like you say they are. But tell me, can a doctor gauge what level of force was applied from looking at an injury? Not all folks manifest injuries the same way. If I get a bruise, I have been hit very hard. I hardly ever bruise. But what about a fellow who easily bruises, in fact, a hard grab of the arm could cause a bruise. Is that excessive that I grabbed a guy to pull him away from a situation to arrest him? What about my broken arm post? Was that or was that not excessive to break a guy's arm with my nightstick?

(Ohboy, you know the answer so put your hand down!)
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Homer900 wrote:
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timster24 wrote:
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your ignorance is outstanding, keep up the stupidity its really cracking me up.

so whats your problem with a little outside oversight?


Not a thing Timster. But your ignorance of law enforcement procedures is driven by your hatred for your local PD. Not every PD is like you say they are. But tell me, can a doctor gauge what level of force was applied from looking at an injury? Not all folks manifest injuries the same way. If I get a bruise, I have been hit very hard. I hardly ever bruise. But what about a fellow who easily bruises, in fact, a hard grab of the arm could cause a bruise. Is that excessive that I grabbed a guy to pull him away from a situation to arrest him? What about my broken arm post? Was that or was that not excessive to break a guy's arm with my nightstick?

(Ohboy, you know the answer so put your hand down!)


Police here would have us believe that you can't even tell what degree of force is reasonably necessary by watching a videotape.

They think we ought to see degree of necessary force as some magical thing that only popos can understand.

It is ridiculous, but predictable that they don't trust doctors who might second guess their popo-magic.
 
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If something happens, either we can respond really fast or we could respond really slow. . . . Im the difference between you getting a two-minute response time, if you needed a little help, or a 15 minutes response time.
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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Police here would have us believe that you can't even tell what degree of force is reasonably necessary by watching a videotape.

They think we ought to see degree of necessary force as some magical thing that only popos can understand.

It is ridiculous, but predictable that they don't trust doctors who might second guess their popo-magic.


Thats about right Atticus, basically avoiding accountablity.

Do you guys feel like your missing something here?
 
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Re:Police use excessive force, ER docs say 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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Police here would have us believe that you can't even tell what degree of force is reasonably necessary by watching a videotape.

They think we ought to see degree of necessary force as some magical thing that only popos can understand.

It is ridiculous, but predictable that they don't trust doctors who might second guess their popo-magic.


Oh ok, so now before a doctor treats a patient, he get's to review a tape of how the patient was injured. I like how you change your scenario's all the time until you find one that fits. Isn't that what you accuse cops of doing all the time to justify illegal actions?

What is ridiculous here is that you guys can't understand a simple point of taking into consideration all the evidence/facts around a case then making your determination. Video is good, but still does not give you all the answers.
 
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