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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
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I can look up the wizard of oz and find no one behind the curtain!
No you can't answer a question posed to a LEO - your not qualified, that is the same thing a LEO would tell me! What part of, you are not qualified don't you understand?


Understanding tasers isn't the difficult. The web is full of information on tasers. I will be happy to post the information to back up what I said.

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The title says Ask A Police Officer not Ask A Police Officer's Wife!


Yes..the topic is tasers. Something that I have researched and do know about. If you don't like my answers just ignore me.

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You haven't been tazed? All LEO's are required to undergo that traing before they are allowed to use a tazer - funny several LEO's filed suit concerning permanate damage - and yes Taser International settled and then lied about it so their stock would not tank! You can look up information on tazers and find they are deadly also - depends on where you look.


Really? Can you post a link that says someone died because of a taser? I would love to read it. Also the links where officers filed suit? Did they win?

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You can find whatever suits your agenda online - you should understand that as much time as you spend online! The source of the information is where it gets critical!


This is funny...coming from someone that has more posts than myself. Let me know when you have those links. Thanks.

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Surely the Brothers in Blue are not just pulling the courts leg with that bogus Lawsuit are they?


I dont know...I dont know about this lawsuit. Got info?
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
Look it up yourself - no you have not done enough research if you have no idea what I am talking about! It was a major deal that Tazer had lied about settling cases, so if you did any research you would be very aware of what I am referring to lady!

Understanding Asbestos is not that hard either - that did not prevent it being applied as insulation and many people dieing from it either!

I make my living online - yes I have a few more post than you and it would appear a better knowledge of what I am posting about as well. While you were posting yours there was another poster that offered the proof that death has been linked to the TAZSER! If you read and have a handle on how to use Google you can find a lot more information that would set off bells and whistles concerning tazers!

Like these: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml
I am certain you have not placed anywhere near the time and efforts that CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andews did.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0730taser30.html
This is from 2005 - and how long have you been reasearching tasers?

Or maybe this quote suits you:
Many Taser-associated deaths have been written up by coroners as being attributable to “excited delirium,” a condition that includes frenzied or aggressive behavior, rapid heart rate and aggravating factors related to an acute mental state and/or drug-related psychosis. When such suspects are stunned, especially while already being held down or hogtied, deaths seem to occur after a period of “sudden tranquility,” as Taser explains in its CD-ROM training material entitled, “Sudden Custody Death: Who’s Right and Who’s Wrong.” In that same material, the company warns officers to “try to minimize the appearance of mishandling suspects.” http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2894/
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/26/taser-death-at-vanco.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/201827_taser01.html
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=901

And this from Police One's Website: http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-lethal/taser/articles/89933/
http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/another-taser-death.html
http://tampabay.injuryboard.com/defective-products/another-taser-death-in-clearwater.php
http://politics.healthdiaries.com/list-of-taser-deaths-over-the-past-two-months.html

I think that should keep you busy for a while and should if you have an open mind as you say you do, show you that your reasearch was incomplete - those results were the first two pages of a Google search on "taser deaths" - my how simple that was!

And the BIG BANG - Seems Police Officers in five states have filed suit on Taser International here is the story - surley these cops are not just some corrupt bad apples? http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3746816

If you need a refresher course in how to conduct research I am certain you can find a tutorial online!


Copwife37 wrote:
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I can look up the wizard of oz and find no one behind the curtain!
No you can't answer a question posed to a LEO - your not qualified, that is the same thing a LEO would tell me! What part of, you are not qualified don't you understand?


Understanding tasers isn't the difficult. The web is full of information on tasers. I will be happy to post the information to back up what I said.

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The title says Ask A Police Officer not Ask A Police Officer's Wife!


Yes..the topic is tasers. Something that I have researched and do know about. If you don't like my answers just ignore me.

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You haven't been tazed? All LEO's are required to undergo that traing before they are allowed to use a tazer - funny several LEO's filed suit concerning permanate damage - and yes Taser International settled and then lied about it so their stock would not tank! You can look up information on tazers and find they are deadly also - depends on where you look.


Really? Can you post a link that says someone died because of a taser? I would love to read it. Also the links where officers filed suit? Did they win?

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You can find whatever suits your agenda online - you should understand that as much time as you spend online! The source of the information is where it gets critical!


This is funny...coming from someone that has more posts than myself. Let me know when you have those links. Thanks.

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Surely the Brothers in Blue are not just pulling the courts leg with that bogus Lawsuit are they?


I dont know...I dont know about this lawsuit. Got info?
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
Benson, what a disrespectful, angry person you are. I dont go to muskingum county. too many hillbilly cross bred genetic experiments happening down there. Ive seen that movie "wong turn" *shivers*
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
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Like these: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml
I am certain you have not placed anywhere near the time and efforts that CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andews did.


Did you read this article?


While the coroner blamed a drug overdose, the family blames multiple, unnecessary electric shocks,

Borden was also high on drugs

However, since 2000, five different medical examiners have listed the stun gun or the TASER specifically as a factor in someone's death.

None of these cases listed the taser as killing anyone. There was one case that didn't list the medical examiners findings so I didn't post that one.


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http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0730taser30.html
This is from 2005 - and how long have you been reasearching tasers?


The county coroner found no evidence of alcohol or drugs in his system and ruled that Ryan's death could be attributed to the Taser shock, physical exertion from the chase and the fact that one of his heart arteries was unusually small.

Again nothing else in this article shows that a taser caused the death of anyone.

An autopsy report from the Cook County's Medical Examiner's Office attributed the death of Ronald Hasse, 54, to electrocution from two Taser jolts delivered by a Chicago police officer. The autopsy said methamphetamines contributed to Hasse's death.

How long did it take you to post these? It is apparent you didn't read them. Again...where is the evidence that shows a taser killed someone? So far every case you have posted had other factors.


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.” http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2894/


Same case as above.

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http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/26/taser-death-at-vanco.html


No medical examiner information.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/201827_taser01.html


In dozens of cases nationwide, autopsies showed the victims died of a heart attack, cocaine intoxication or underlying causes such as heart disease. But autopsies in at least five cases found Tasers were a contributing factor in the deaths.

The Taser was one of several methods used to restrain William Lomax, a 26-year-old who was under the influence of PCP

Taser contributed to the death of Gordon Jones, who was cocaine-intoxicated

The rest of the cases here all had other factors as well. Still nothing that shows that tasers cause death.

[quote}http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=901
[/quote]

No medical information here.


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And this from Police One's Website: http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-lethal/taser/articles/89933/
http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/another-taser-death.html
http://tampabay.injuryboard.com/defective-products/another-taser-death-in-clearwater.php
http://politics.healthdiaries.com/list-of-taser-deaths-over-the-past-two-months.html


The gun's manufacturer says that, based on autopsy results, none of the deaths has been directly caused by a Taser.

Second link...no medical examiner report.

Third link Most deaths were later attributed to drugs, pre-existing heart problems or "excited delirium," a psychotic and typically drug-induced state in which the heart is susceptible to cardiac arrest.

In Tipton's case, it will fall to Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner Jon Thogmartin to determine the cause of death. Thogmartin, who declined to comment Thursday, said in October that it was a medical fact that a Taser alone would not kill.

Before Tipton, one person had died in the Tampa Bay area after a Taser shot. An autopsy attributed that 2004 death involving Hillsborough deputies to "accidental cocaine-induced agitated delirium."


Your last link..no medical examiner findings. All partial information.

I have done extensive research on tasers. I have read everything you have posted here and nothing you have posted has said that a taser killed someone.


As for the officers filing suit, thanks for that link. I had not read about that. I have no idea if they are lying or telling the truth. I guess that will be up to a court of law. Isn't it you that thinks police are bad, and lie? So these group in your opinion is truthful? Why is that exactly?


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If you need a refresher course in how to conduct research I am certain you can find a tutorial online!


No thanks. You failed miserably here. You have yet to prove your statement that Tasers kill people. So I will stick to my research and add your links to that research since you just helped me prove even moreso that tasers are not deadly. Thanks!
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
You have failed to prove your point lady! No I don't think all cops are bad - a lot of them are and it is played out in the news every day - I would bet you a dollar to a donut (ohhh I didn’t say DONUT did I) I can post five bad cop stories for every good cop story you can post!



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However, since 2000, five different medical examiners have listed the stun gun or the TASER specifically as a factor in someone's death.


What part of this don't you understand? Webster says:
Specifically - spe•cif•ic –adjective
1. having a special application, bearing, or reference; specifying, explicit, or definite: to state one's specific purpose.
2. specified, precise, or particular: a specific sum of money.
3. peculiar or proper to somebody or something, as qualities, characteristics, effects, etc.: His specific problems got him into trouble.
4. of a special or particular kind.
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None of these cases listed the taser as killing anyone. There was one case that didn't list the medical examiners findings so I didn't post that one.


Play games with your husband and his buddies - I don't bend that easy! I see you have no reading comprehension so your post are ignored


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Like these: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml
I am certain you have not placed anywhere near the time and efforts that CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andews did.


Did you read this article?


While the coroner blamed a drug overdose, the family blames multiple, unnecessary electric shocks,

Borden was also high on drugs

However, since 2000, five different medical examiners have listed the stun gun or the TASER specifically as a factor in someone's death.

None of these cases listed the taser as killing anyone. There was one case that didn't list the medical examiners findings so I didn't post that one.


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http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0730taser30.html
This is from 2005 - and how long have you been reasearching tasers?


The county coroner found no evidence of alcohol or drugs in his system and ruled that Ryan's death could be attributed to the Taser shock, physical exertion from the chase and the fact that one of his heart arteries was unusually small.

Again nothing else in this article shows that a taser caused the death of anyone.

An autopsy report from the Cook County's Medical Examiner's Office attributed the death of Ronald Hasse, 54, to electrocution from two Taser jolts delivered by a Chicago police officer. The autopsy said methamphetamines contributed to Hasse's death.

How long did it take you to post these? It is apparent you didn't read them. Again...where is the evidence that shows a taser killed someone? So far every case you have posted had other factors.


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.” http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2894/


Same case as above.

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http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/26/taser-death-at-vanco.html


No medical examiner information.

QUOTE:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/201827_taser01.html


In dozens of cases nationwide, autopsies showed the victims died of a heart attack, cocaine intoxication or underlying causes such as heart disease. But autopsies in at least five cases found Tasers were a contributing factor in the deaths.

The Taser was one of several methods used to restrain William Lomax, a 26-year-old who was under the influence of PCP

Taser contributed to the death of Gordon Jones, who was cocaine-intoxicated

The rest of the cases here all had other factors as well. Still nothing that shows that tasers cause death.

[quote}http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=901
[/quote]

No medical information here.


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And this from Police One's Website: http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-lethal/taser/articles/89933/
http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/another-taser-death.html
http://tampabay.injuryboard.com/defective-products/another-taser-death-in-clearwater.php
http://politics.healthdiaries.com/list-of-taser-deaths-over-the-past-two-months.html


The gun's manufacturer says that, based on autopsy results, none of the deaths has been directly caused by a Taser.

Second link...no medical examiner report.

Third link Most deaths were later attributed to drugs, pre-existing heart problems or "excited delirium," a psychotic and typically drug-induced state in which the heart is susceptible to cardiac arrest.

In Tipton's case, it will fall to Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner Jon Thogmartin to determine the cause of death. Thogmartin, who declined to comment Thursday, said in October that it was a medical fact that a Taser alone would not kill.

Before Tipton, one person had died in the Tampa Bay area after a Taser shot. An autopsy attributed that 2004 death involving Hillsborough deputies to "accidental cocaine-induced agitated delirium."


Your last link..no medical examiner findings. All partial information.

I have done extensive research on tasers. I have read everything you have posted here and nothing you have posted has said that a taser killed someone.


As for the officers filing suit, thanks for that link. I had not read about that. I have no idea if they are lying or telling the truth. I guess that will be up to a court of law. Isn't it you that thinks police are bad, and lie? So these group in your opinion is truthful? Why is that exactly?


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If you need a refresher course in how to conduct research I am certain you can find a tutorial online!


No thanks. You failed miserably here. You have yet to prove your statement that Tasers kill people. So I will stick to my research and add your links to that research since you just helped me prove even moreso that tasers are not deadly. Thanks!
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
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You have failed to prove your point lady! No I don't think all cops are bad - a lot of them are and it is played out in the news every day - I would bet you a dollar to a donut (ohhh I didn’t say DONUT did I) I can post five bad cop stories for every good cop story you can post!


I wasn't the one trying to prove a point. Of course you can post more bad cop stories because good stories don't sell newspapers. Although you will have a tough time proving your statement that *a lot* of cops are bad.

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What part of this don't you understand? Webster says


No I understand what a factor is. However that has nothing to do with the fact that Tasers are not named as a cause of death. You still haven't proven that.

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Play games with your husband and his buddies - I don't bend that easy! I see you have no reading comprehension so your post are ignored


Your continued personal attacks show clearly that you have nothing to add to this conversation. So...good luck. You still haven't proven a thing. Let me know if you can ever find anything that proves that tasers are deadly. I don't think I will be hearing from you any time soon. Have a good day.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
It is clear you have no reading or reasoning comprehension - prime example is this section is titled ASK A POLICE OFFICER - and you are a police officer? Why no your moniker reads Copwife37!

You think you can answer for all cops and you are not even a cop yourself - so just who is out of line here?

Rub your husbands feet when he gets home!
That is about all your qualified to do when it comes to answering anyone’s questions concerning LE!



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You have failed to prove your point lady! No I don't think all cops are bad - a lot of them are and it is played out in the news every day - I would bet you a dollar to a donut (ohhh I didn’t say DONUT did I) I can post five bad cop stories for every good cop story you can post!


I wasn't the one trying to prove a point. Of course you can post more bad cop stories because good stories don't sell newspapers. Although you will have a tough time proving your statement that *a lot* of cops are bad.

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What part of this don't you understand? Webster says


No I understand what a factor is. However that has nothing to do with the fact that Tasers are not named as a cause of death. You still haven't proven that.

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Play games with your husband and his buddies - I don't bend that easy! I see you have no reading comprehension so your post are ignored


Your continued personal attacks show clearly that you have nothing to add to this conversation. So...good luck. You still haven't proven a thing. Let me know if you can ever find anything that proves that tasers are deadly. I don't think I will be hearing from you any time soon. Have a good day.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
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It is clear you have no reading or reasoning comprehension - prime example is this section is titled ASK A POLICE OFFICER - and you are a police officer? Why no your moniker reads Copwife37!

You think you can answer for all cops and you are not even a cop yourself - so just who is out of line here?

Rub your husbands feet when he gets home!
That is about all your qualified to do when it comes to answering anyone’s questions concerning LE!


No...what is clear is that you posted several articles that you didn't read. Again...personal attacks show that you are unable to prove what you said. Why are you so hung up on the section title? This is called a sub thread. If you don't like that my answers just ignore me. However I think the reality of the situation is you have been unable to discredit what I have said.

Well I don't know who is out of line here. You yourself posted information about tasers. Why are you asking a police officer about tasers when you think you know all about them. Quick tip...before posting something...make sure you read it first.

Well as for my qualifications...yet another thing you know absolutely nothing about. I will give you one thing....you are consistent. Have a nice day.
 
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Here’s a scenario for non-law enforcement folks.
What would you do if you WERE a cop?

You and 2 other officers respond to a domestic disturbance in progress. The dispatcher tells you husband and wife are having a verbal argument in the front yard. The husband has been drinking. You arrive on scene and find, lets call him Joe, sitting on the tailgate of his pickup truck next to his cooler of beer. As you and your partners get out of your cars Joe gets off the tailgate with a beer in 1 hand and a 2 ½ foot machete in the other hand. You tell him several times to put the weapon down but he refuses. Only yelling “get off my property you F**cking Pigs”. At this time the wife comes out of the house, we’ll call her Betty. Betty is crying and telling you between sobs that Joe has been acting crazy all day. You ask Betty to go back into the house, but she refuses as she continues to yell at Joe, calling him names a making him madder by the second. Joe’s demeanor is becoming more and more hostile as time passes. What do you do?

Here are your options, please pick one and explain why.

A. Nothing, Joe hasn’t hurt any body, so just get in your car and leave.
B. 1 or all 3 of you charge Joe, tackle him and take the machete away from him.
C. Shot him…he is armed with a deadly weapon after all.
D. Call in the S.W.A.T team and let them deal with Joe.
E. Wait him out, he’ll run out of beer or pass out eventually.
F. Tase him.

I’m very interested in your responses.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
PatrolSgt wrote:
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Here’s a scenario for non-law enforcement folks.
What would you do if you WERE a cop?

You and 2 other officers respond to a domestic disturbance in progress. The dispatcher tells you husband and wife are having a verbal argument in the front yard. The husband has been drinking. You arrive on scene and find, lets call him Joe, sitting on the tailgate of his pickup truck next to his cooler of beer. As you and your partners get out of your cars Joe gets off the tailgate with a beer in 1 hand and a 2 ½ foot machete in the other hand. You tell him several times to put the weapon down but he refuses. Only yelling “get off my property you F**cking Pigs”. At this time the wife comes out of the house, we’ll call her Betty. Betty is crying and telling you between sobs that Joe has been acting crazy all day. You ask Betty to go back into the house, but she refuses as she continues to yell at Joe, calling him names a making him madder by the second. Joe’s demeanor is becoming more and more hostile as time passes. What do you do?

Here are your options, please pick one and explain why.

A. Nothing, Joe hasn’t hurt any body, so just get in your car and leave.
B. 1 or all 3 of you charge Joe, tackle him and take the machete away from him.
C. Shot him…he is armed with a deadly weapon after all.
D. Call in the S.W.A.T team and let them deal with Joe.
E. Wait him out, he’ll run out of beer or pass out eventually.
F. Tase him.

I’m very interested in your responses.

What about back up and call a negotiator?

What about, talk to Joe and try to calm him down?
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
SPD check the Taser International web site...they have the stats posted there.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
I would subdue Joe immediatley after his refusal to comply (tazer) Bettys refusal to go back into the house= I would put cuffs on her until the thing with joe was secure and she could be questioned further.( would call a female officer to the residence) Chances are good for her refusal and instigating Joe by the name calling etc would also be cause for her arrest (depends on the officer). Some officers have been called out to various homes so much they know the people by name It would depend on her demeanour if she gets arrested or not,(she may be drunk too) sometimes woman who want their husbands or BF arrested change their minds and turn on the police when they go to arrest the guys they call the police on!
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
I would probably tase him. If I didn't carry a taser I would wait it out, but if he raised that knife at me, I would shoot him in a second.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
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What about back up and call a negotiator?

What about, talk to Joe and try to calm him down?


What is there to negotiate? Yes...let's try to calm a drunk, crazy man with a machete. Sigh.
 
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Re:Taser Guns 6 Years, 8 Months ago  
Copwife37 wrote:
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What about back up and call a negotiator?

What about, talk to Joe and try to calm him down?


What is there to negotiate? Yes...let's try to calm a drunk, crazy man with a machete. Sigh.:dry:

Actually what you would do is...............nothing. You are a talker. Worse than that you are a wannabe and probably a groupie.

Nothing is what you would do, because nothing is what you have done.

Sigh
 
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